Eumaeus asked a series of great questions in comments for my recent post on taking pigs to market. I appreciate that. Rather than write a lengthy response in comments I thought it was better to just make a post.
You got the pigs from a farmer or at auction as weened piglets and how much per piglet?
I buy directly from my farmer friend Mike. Mike produces pork for a major upscale retail chain. He farrows on pasture and finishes in deep bedding, generating mountains of compost.
I say “friend” but really, Mike is a friend of a friend and one heck of a nice guy. I never show up unannounced but Mike always makes time to chat. Mike was the childhood friend of Steve and best man at Steve’s wedding. I met Mike through Steve. I met Steve because I buy milk from him.
I buy milk from Steve because I found out I was stealing his chicken customers (on accident), went to his house to say “sorry” and he stopped digging potatoes, loaded my car with vegetables and grape starts and forced us to eat peaches…oh, and the milk is great. True story. And Steve, like Mike, is one heck of a great guy (if you hadn’t put that together on your own). He came to AI a heifer for me once (25 minutes one-way), his wife brought us a pie and he didn’t charge me anything for the service and then he bought the resulting heifer. We send him all the milk and beef business we can. He sends us chicken customers in return. I think the account balance is strongly in his favor. I owe Steve a lot. Mike is just as giving.
Oh. Rabbit trail. Sorry. This time Mike charged me $1/pound. It changes with the market. I’m sure you can reach a similar arrangement once you locate a reliable farmer nearby. Mike doesn’t hold back his opinions about even his own pigs saying the red ones are the best eating…but we take what we can get. Hopefully your farmer will be similarly candid.
They come advertised docked with shots?
Mike doesn’t appear to advertise. Mike vaccinates for tetanus but that’s about it. I buy them castrated (my choice) but none of his pigs have their tails docked. Because of the deep bedding the pigs have plenty to do so cannibalism isn’t much of a problem. Long, wagging pig tails are very entertaining. I prefer to buy barrows (grow out faster) but I also buy a couple of gilts as some customers specifically request them.
I don’t own a needle. I don’t doctor pigs, I eat them. Mike’s pigs are so healthy that I have never needed to do anything with them other than to add feed and water.
Then you took ‘em to processor and did you bring them all back home to freezers to sell as cuts or did you have mostly people pick their halves/wholes up at the processor?
I just drop the pigs off at the processor along with a list of names. This time I gave 7 buyers for the four pigs I dropped off, assigning each buyer to a specific pig (black, big red, little red and spot). The processor records the hanging weight for each animal and that tells me what I need to charge each customer. For example, I believe the spotted pig (Laverne) weighed 280 so the buyer owes me $560. Then they buyer calls the processor before Thursday (cutting day) and chooses what cuts they would like. I am not involved at this point. They choose spare ribs or country-style ribs, pork steaks or Boston butt, hams, ham steaks, ham roasts, pork chops, butterfly chops or loin, bacon or not, ground pork or sausage and how big to make the packages. It’s all up to them. They buy a whole pig they get a lot of bacon. Half a pig? Half the bacon. I usually get a chance to talk to the customer right after they call the processor. I guess it is intimidating to talk to the processor so they call to ask me questions like, “What is a pork catfish?” When they pick up their pork (week or three later) they pay the processing charges directly to the processor. I’m not involved. If I had a type 1 processor nearby I might be interested in having pork cuts in inventory as my chicken freezers are all empty this time of year.
Last question, is keeping boar and sow stupid?
Nope. But keeping a boar for one sow is not economical and he would be bored. Keeping a boar for 8 sows would be OK. Normally, you buy a purebred boar from a known breeder and put him in with your sows. If you want to move your genetics along quickly, sell the sow after her first litter, keeping the best gilt or two. Rather than keeping or borrowing a boar for the two gilts I held back I plan to AI. Kelly Klober had quite a bit to say on this subject in a recent Acres USA issue. I haven’t read his most recent book Dirt Hog. Let me know in comments if any of you have.
I am happy to share more detail on farm activities. Sometimes I just don’t know what questions to answer. Help me know where I can be more clear.
Mike and Steve sound like treasures, for sure. Processing works for me much as you describe, except that the butcher asked to just deal with me instead of my customers – that will change next year, as I go up in volume – the customers will call the butcher directly, and pick up when ready. Thanks to a hiccup with a customer who didn’t realize what 80-100 lbs of meat would mean in terms of freezer space, I ended up turning one whole side into sausage except for the bacon (I kept the bacon for my family). The sausage is selling quite well, but I could sell double the bacon, easily. So two lessons learned – charge a deposit on sides, and educate customers to the fact that the only way they can get bacon from our pigs is if they buy a side – they could share a side with someone else if they want, but we are not going to fill up a freezer with other cuts that take longer to sell just to get enough bacon to sell.
Two good rules there. Deposit and you only get Bacon if you buy the whole side.
I assume that AI services for hogs are easy to find like for cows?
Thanks for the info.
Well, since Mike is planning to AI some pigs this spring…
I hadn’t heard of AI with hogs, but then I have much to learn.
I have a lot to learn too but I have seen things I wish I hadn’t. I worked at a big, big hog farm for a very short time in college. The foreman collected a sample from a boar…with his hand. Yup. Things I wish I could delete from my memory.
yes, it is intimidating to talk to the processor. After 4 beeves, i got the hang of it.
so type 1 must be when they say, “you want it inspected or not?”
empty freezers???? no wonder you were out there looking for deer. i wish i had some space in ours.
i like your method of having a pig farmer friend. seems to make way more sense then overwintering and all that.
i think the moral of the story is those strong relationships that you’ve built – w/the farmers and with the customers. That seems to be the essential ingredient. i need to kick my anti-social, hermit, homebody habit sounds like. talking to trees and cows just won’t do. i need to rub shoulders with some homo sapiens.
thanks for the info. we’ll try and hook up with somebody good next spring. Speaking of which, what date do you usually buy the buggers? And is early december your regular pig done time?
We run them spring and fall like our broilers. The main point is I don’t like to have big pigs in hot weather or little pigs in cold weather…though each are doable. If I had to choose I would rather have little pigs in cold weather. Water isn’t much of an issue with little pigs and I can keep them warm with composting bedding. Hot pigs need a lot of water, a lot of moving air and a lot of shade. They would be fine in the woods if I were set up to keep my pigs in the woods.
Heck. Forget I said any of that. Just know that I like to butcher for our own family but I don’t like to butcher when there are flies. You might get a 50 pound pig in June and have a big, fat baconer by December. Or get it a little later, butcher at 220 and have smaller hams that are easier to cure.
Forget I said anything. I can just keep listing options. We try to get pigs early in August and late in February.
I was trying to discover how much space I needed to keep 1/2 hog. The local locker charged us $94. I think we are getting a bargain considering the quality of your hogs. Readers should understand we have to consider the price of the pig, too. This web site was very helpful. http://lovelivegrow.com/2011/01/how-much-meat-from-a-pig/
That site has done a good job of adding detail to Walter’s posts (Sugar Mountain Farm) on the subject.